I agree about sticking with the commercial product, John. I tried some ". Thanx for the replies & suggestions. I will be interested to hear whether you have success with either one. you think its bad on plastic imagine it covering tiny stone and dust its can be a pain but totally worth it. +1 with Pottz…...I have used warm water in a mister in a pinch, but I’m a firm believer in doing it right! But, I got it, acetone is not a form of alcohol. For the record, when I checked this morning, all of the samples were rock solid, so while the water, etc didn’t perform as well as the spray, they didn’t inhibit final curing. At wwa, Marc Adams talked about windex being a substitute for accelerator. Have even seen quarts of it sell for <$25. So still wondering if it can aide in curing CA because of this. Your hobby shop probably carries a private label of Insta-Set products as well, they just cost more. | Privacy Policy China Alternative to Henkel Loctite Ca Glue Cure Accelerator, Find details about China Substitute Henkel Loctite Ca Accelerator, Replace Henkel Loctite Ca Accelerator from Alternative to Henkel Loctite Ca Glue Cure Accelerator - Heng Ying Adhesive Co., Ltd I've read plain water makes a perfectly good accelerant (that's the joke posted above about dihydrous monoxide, i.e, H20, i.e., water). FREE Shipping on orders over $25 shipped by Amazon. My accelerator bottle is 7.5oz, cost $12, and I’ve been using the same bottle for four years. [Clear Super Glue Adhesive and Accelerator Spray] 4.6 out of 5 stars 604 $17.69 $ 17 . Powered by Invision Community, bourbonnais......thats just south of chicago. Be careful storing CA in the freezer after you have opened it. I’ll try lightly applying a small mist of water/moisture on one of the pieces of material to be bonded together and see what happens. Brush it onto the “dry” half of the joint. anyone tried it? Location: Wichita, KS, Posts: 2,123 Likes: 0 Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts Substitute for CA Accelerator? -- "It's getting better..." - put this on my RIP stone! -- there is no educational alternative to having a front row seat in the School of Hard Knocks. When I built big r/c airplanes, we would add dry baking soda to CA to both accelerate the cure and fill gaps. I used plenty of commercial accelerators, and they work the best and are most predictable, but have downsides. Thanks for the clarification. What has worked for many years is a spray of water from a mister. In my experience, the downsides of commercial products included the fumes when used, as well as the ability of lingering fumes to set off glue applied later and in storage. The beauty of it is that you don’t waste over spraying and it seems to last a very long time. ... SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory 4.2. At wwa, Marc Adams talked about windex being a substitute for accelerator. While it cost more, I ended up getting better yield. CA cures slower on acidic woods like mahogany and oak, but you can use accelerator to overcome that. I just buy accelerator but I’m not using enough that I would save any significant amount by making my own. But it still “mixes” with water. At this ratio, your homemade accelerator will still give you several seconds of open time to align the parts. #4 – Accelerator application method tip: Aerosol or pump spray bottles are convenient way to apply accelerator. Also known as super glue, what is activator made of? | Do Not Sell My Data Location: Brockton, MA, Posts: 89 Likes: 0 Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts Substitute for CA Accelerator? Within seconds, the surface is hard, yet there is some yield to pressure. (musta been another “as seen on TV” flop). Water, acetone, bloxygen, breathing (lol)... Nope, sorry. It’s not an adhesive, but more of a filler. Like here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slCMkvEfK_U, ©2021 Verticalscope Inc. All Rights Reserved. No need for spray bottles. The dust will fill the visible gap, and seal out air; which allows the CA to cure as designed without accelerator. I'm sure there are entire forums dedicated to CA glue -- maybe they have a formula for you. ...I m no chemist, but I think Acetone is a form of alcohol ...- clin. , We can't get "Glen 20" in the U.S.,  But it's just, Spray Disinfectant same as say Lysol. Bad idea, as the product evaporating from the pump set off the entire bottle of glue on more than one occasion. ?it cured instantly without any other source of accelerant. The Dimethyl-p-toluidine posted earlier is fast drying alkaline aromatic amine compound. Toluidine (or something like that) seems to be a ingredient in several activators MSDSs but in small ratios so that might be the actual accelerant. I do some model building to, this makes for the cleanest joints, and keeps most of the spray off the plastic. I think I might need to do some experimenting. does it turn white or stay clear? It depends on how viscous the glue is, and the thickness of the application.   Your previous content has been restored. × Says on the bottle extremely flammable, and it "causes immediate cure of cyanoacrylates" Also says it contains heptane, is this the main ingredient? These are really not new, just new marketing. View Single Post 04-05-2003, 08:09 PM #4 Tattoo. You can get 8 ounce (pints) of accelerator for ~$10, and refill a small spritz spray bottle to apply it. Another vote for making sure the surfaces have moisture in them. This won’t necessarily make it kick as fast as an accelerator, but moisture is needed for it to set. The moisture of your breath does it. You find … the best trick I found was inspired by eizzle sugestion of a qtip. -- Tony---- Reinholds,Pa.------ REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN : I was in the same boat, or plane. posted 02-19-2018 09:48 PM. I call it the "Super Tight Ass Method". It smells like nail polish. His quote ", I have experimented with about 8 different cans and have found Glen 20 to be the best. Clear editor. February 17, 2018. LJ will not be held liable for the actions of any user. what happened to that product advertised on the TV InfoMercial several months agoabout putting the glue on the part then hitting it with a flash of Ultra Violet light ?? 99. works great does what I need with minimal cost no more wasted in a spray bottle just a single drop on my inlay. +1 on water mist, its also why it works on damp wood . Just need spray bottle. The more instant glue that is used in a … While some of these may affect the cure rate, none even came close to the spray accelerator. I have tried a baking soda ca accelerator and it didn't work too well it make my glue cloudy so my inlay looks milky. The CA glue accelerant is a solvent based product that can be applied before and/or after CA glue application. It worked well, although it often produced an ugly joint. You can buy small <1ml Disposable Plastic Pipettes and use them to place 1 drop where needed. This dust filled joint will not accept dye/stain, so use the dust fill technique sparingly. Part of the reason why I discontinued the product was because I have found a good substitute for the accelerator (and plus the cost to freight it off interstate is exxy!). It’s like a wide sharpie. www.timberbits.com I have developed a new alternative accelerator cheaper than Glen 20. I have found that you can put a table spoon of baking soda in a cup of water and use it to spray and accelerated ca glue. I use the Mitrebond accelerator in the pen form. Here is timberbits video, (http://www.timberbits.com/blog/?p=345), We can't get "Glen 20" in the U.S.,  But it's just Spray Disinfectant same as say Lysol. Last edited: Dec 9, 2011. robutacion Member. I used it a lot when I was building model airplanes and never paid for an accelerator. with Activator (6.76 fl oz.) × The trick is to accelerate cure, but not impact the chemistry of the adhesive -- just think of the downside... going to try it on some scrap and see how it turns out. To avoid clogging the tip, don’t touch it to the work or any surface, and don’t poke pins or nails into the opening either. -- If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all, - Albert King - Born Under a Bad Sign released 1967. CA accelerator can simply be replaced by water and baking soda! No idea what it was. Go ahead and do that if you I'd test it before I used it on something I cared about. Paste as plain text instead, × Spraying with Bloxygen might work. #2 – CA cures in absence of oxygen. I just spent some time in the shop playing around with some of these ideas. Moisture accelerates most CA glues, so you can slightly accelerate the glue with warm, moist, breath. 2864 posts in 3867 days #1 posted 02-20-2018 01:08 PM . More Buying Choices $20.74 (3 new offers) Satellite City QA-6 NCF Quick Aerosol Accelerator 6 oz. 30 replies so far. Scoot Education 4.2. | Copyright home | projects | blog. A little more research…Wikipedia:In general, cyanoacrylate is an acrylic resin that rapidly polymerises in the presence of water (specifically hydroxide ions), forming long, strong chains, joining the bonded surfaces together. Super Glue Accelerator, also known as CA glue "activator," is used to significantly speed up the drying time of cyanoacrylate super glues. Copyright 2020 The Wood Whisperer, Inc. What has worked for many years is a spray of water from a mister. Rich – I made a 1/4 scale Piper J3 Cub a few years ago and used CA glue for the very first timeon balsa wood….. Thanks for the offer duck, I'm sure if I do try it I'll have a ton of questions! #1 – The aerosol cans are a very expensive way to buy/use cyanoacrylate accelerator. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Mercury Adhesives MH16A Aerosol Accelerator for CA 12oz. Cheap little super glue activation hack to save lots of money.#SuperGlue #CAGlue #Activator its just baking soda and water im not realy out much the down side is i waste 10-15 min. In a bind, you can use human sweat or saliva as an accelerator, it just works slowly. [Clear Super Glue Adhesive and Accelerator Spray] 4.6 out of 5 stars 608 $17.69 $ 17 . Apply Cyanoacrylate Super Glue Accelerator – CA Glue Activator . Akfix-GA060 705 Fast Adhesive CA Glue (1.76 oz.) Latest Projects | Plenty of alcohols we shouldn’t drink either! Yep! Latest Blog Entries | You only need a tiny bit for most gluing operations, so a can lasts seemingly forever”. by Steamboat_Willie posted 02-19-2018 09:48 PM . $23.99 $ 23. Accelerators are nothing more than this amine dispersed into solvent. Your dentist has probably been using them for years. We just don’t know which half! I tried some "kroger" brand that I had under the sink, it didn't work well, the spray tip sprayed large droplets and left white spots, the same same as a pump accelerator I played with. Different brands use different solvent carriers, depending on degree of flammability or VOC regulations, with Heptane/acetone most common.Common internet suggestion to use baking soda dissolved in water works, but it is slow compared to commercial accelerator. 50 ($1.56/Fl Oz) FREE Shipping. and, X2 with Jonah: “accelerators last quite a long time. Rev. You only need a tiny bit for most gluing operations, so a can lasts seemingly forever unless you’re super gluing every day.   Your link has been automatically embedded.   You cannot paste images directly. Display as a link instead, × I'm also trying to save my pennies, but decided not to reinvent the wheel and eventually got a spray can of accelerator, http://www.toolking.com/fastcap-2p-10-soloact-activator-spray-for-2p-10-adhesive. 4.9 out of 5 stars 39. if installing a 60k kitchen a 5.00 can of spray is nothing :<))). From the basic idea of repair and reattachment to perhaps more advanced crafting of new things, super glue accelerators make the application of super glue easy and convenient. News. I just realized that I needed some CA Accelerator. 69 #3 – Trick to accelerating CA cure is PH level, as the reaction expedites in alkaline environment. the qtip would stick but an eye droper would use minimal accelerator right where I want it. When I was a professional display manufacturer, (see how I did that) lolI used UV glue to assemble my glass cases. The Correct Way to Apply Super Glue Accelerator. Join Date: Feb 2002. Given that Acetone will dissolve CA, it could be the acetone acts as a carrier to pull water molecules into the CA. You can even place a drop of low viscosity CA onto a pile of saw dust in a crack/gap and it usually cures in seconds.   Pasted as rich text. Funny I had only heard about using CA and baking soda as a hard filler, mainly for guitar repairs etc. 7/07 1-37 § 1.5.2 Substituted Service (C.C.P. By Seems odd that many of the CA activators have acetone in them but I’ve also seen acetone recommended for removing super glue from surfaces. --. might work on pale whitish stones but nothing with color. Especially in those days with all niCAD batteries, every second counted when making field repairs. They are inexpensive, a few cents each bought in bulk. Senior Member . It’s cheaper to use because I can unscrew the cap and use a pipette for a small spot like he mentioned. I have experimented with about 8 different cans and have found Glen 20 to be the best. Menlo Park, CA 94025. Or heck, just some cheap bourbon might work. duckkisser, This process was usually used where we would have used epoxy, but we wanted fast progress, say with complex attachments or critical alignments. Obviously I don’t use much of the stuff, but a tiny pulse of it doesn’t feel like a waste of anything. Don’t know if that helps you but that’s what is in the commercial accelerants.Also any brand of CA accelerant I’m sure would work with any brand of CA glue I don’t see any reason to match the two if one if priced better or has a better applicator, or comes in more convenient sized packaging etc. Run a bead of glue on one surface, spray the other with accelerator, put them together and within literally seconds, it’s rock solid. CA accelerator spray works in seconds — literally — and so I wanted to see if any of the ideas presented could come close. View Single Post 04-05-2003, 05:06 PM #1 N1EDM-RCU. Premium Super Glue Accelerator by Glue Masters 2 OZ Bottle with Detachable Spray Pump 100% with Hassle Free Full Refund Best Super Glue Activator on The Cyanoacrylate Market. July 23, 2013 in General Woodworking Talk. Also, if you run a bead of glue and spray it directly, you can watch the phase change. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way. For what it’s worth, the heptane-based accelerators last quite a long time. The soda will neutralize the acid in CA glue, which is there to slow the curing time. The one CA accelerator I’ve used was sort of oily, though it dried without leaving a residue. with Activator (6.76 fl oz.) Pure chlorine beach, or lye are stronger alkaline materials, but I would not want them on my wood projects. “Bondic” may be the UV cure system you saw advertised. Member . I question the knowledgeability of the Titebond rep if he thinks heptane is an accelerant. Also, most CA adhesives that I have used recommend a clean, dry surface so it seems like water would not be the best choice. That works out to $2.99 after you use Hobby Lobby’s always-available 40% discount coupon. Bondic is excellent in some situations. I don’t mind paying $12 every four or five years. $12.50 $ 12. I don't remember it being all that expensive. NCF Quick accelerator for CA glue can also help by cleaning and preparing the surface. Looks like just a little bit in what is otherwise acetone. I’m no chemist, but I think Acetone is a form of alcohol and alcohols blend well with water and absorb water easily. So simply breathing on it may be as effective as anything. Super Glue CA accelerator substitute. N,N-Dimethyl-p-toluidine I think the name of the stuff in CA accelerant. and if it works its a really cheap alternative that i can use until i can afford to buy some new bottles. -- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. Substitute for CA Accelerator? Why not just buy a really big bottle of the real stuff? " Terms of Service cessna you said it looks ugly did you ever mix it with water thats what the directions that i found say to do. 69 also im in the middle of a project and i don't want to wait for the stuff to get here. In extremely dry climates, an accelerator for CA glue is often necessary to force the CA glue to cure. The problem with it is that the single LED curing light they include is really weak. I did not trust it – thinking my planewould fall apart before I even got the fabric on the frame.I was VERY impressed with the strength of the joints and also the accelerator. I’ve had the same can for ~4 years, for example, and it’s still a third full. There are more alkaline household chemicals that can be used, but they are dangerous. I am in brazil, will buy some and will try it when i get home. Instant Dry Super Glue Hack.Waiting for glue to dry is one of our favorite past times, but sometimes you need to get onto other things. Best sources are online hobby shops that sell to radio control airplane market (such as Aircarft Spruce & Specialty). Eaglesc >"How much are we gonna save here by trying to find an acceptable substitute for accelerator? He also thinks lysol will work! i dont care about clean joints since its for inlay but i like the qtip idea since im usualy only doing small color inlays a few inches around so it will make my aceclerator last a long time thanks that is a head slaping idea (doh why didnt i think of that), i dont care about clean joints since its for inlay but i like the qtip idea since im usualy only doing small color inlays a few inches around so it will make my aceclerator last a long time thanks that is a head slaping idea (doh why didnt i think of that). I got curious so did a few quick google searches. Will also try the same with acetone. Because of this cyanoacrylate is applied thinly, to ensure that the reaction proceeds rapidly for bonding. Solvent, but not accelerant. But if you do not touch the CA surface with pipette, you can reuse them forever. Jim Finn. If your joint is not tight, then it does not cure well and suggest you need a different glue? If you need to use the stuff all the time, by all means look for more economical solutions, but most people probably don’t need to do that. The stuff you buy is a scam...water is all you need in a fine mist and it works GREAT! CA cures due to moisture. Because the presence of moisture causes the glue to set, exposure to normal levels of humidity in the air causes a thin skin to start to form within seconds, which very greatly slows the reaction. tip sprayed large droplets and left white spots, the same same as a pump accelerator I played with. Dec 10, 2011 #12 patmurris said: Upload or insert images from URL. Starbond Instant Set ACCELERATOR (Activator) for CA Super Glue, Pump Sprayer Bottle (8 ounce) 4.7 out of 5 stars 863. I think alcohols and bases increase cure rate (water is the curing agent and acids are the retarder) -- hence the references to baking soda and alcohol you see on the web. so i would rather it not turn ugly. Haven't tried it. I got a great tip from Captain’s post regarding the spritzer bottle with the screw on cap. One good method of storing your CA on the work bench is to place it in a sealed jar that has a collection of the little bags of disiccant silicagel in it. super glue & activator hack,ca& activator ,cyanoacrylate activator There’s a reason it glues your fingers together so easily. Manage Consent. They have “Extreme Power Accelerator” in a 2 oz spray bottle for $4.99. We didn't care about the look, as it would be hidden inside the structure. Alternative to Henkel Loctite Ca Glue Cure Accelerator, Find Details about Substitute Henkel Loctite Ca Accelerator, Replace Henkel Loctite Ca Accelerator from Alternative to Henkel Loctite Ca Glue Cure Accelerator - Heng Ying Adhesive Co., Ltd Timberbits.com uses a product called glen 20. Makes me wonder if things like rubbing alcohol, which has a lot of water in it would work. It … Substitute Teacher. Why mess with the chemistry? i gotta agree with rich,john and jonah why bother with the substitutions,where talking about probably a couple bucks a year for most,not worth the effort. Lack of humidity in the air can also affect curing times. His quote "I have experimented with about 8 different cans and have found Glen 20 to be the best." 70 Permit Tech jobs available in Mountain View, CA on Indeed.com. No, no, I'm good duck, my skills aren't anywhere near being able to do inlay, nor my patience... if you change your mind eizzle let me know and ill try and give you a few pointers. 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